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wolfspoor  :: Question for WolfSpoor Users :: (118 Reads)

Posted by IanWatson on Thursday, August 26, 2004 - 10:11 AM

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I have a question about the icons and avatars I use here on WolfSpoor. Since it affects everyone here, I thought I'd post it here rather than in the forums or on wolfspoor_news.

I'm torn on changing over from the current GIF format to PNG. Read more for the reasons why I want to, and why I haven't yet. Since this is the second time I'm writing this (I have no idea what happened the first time, but I lost the post), I'll try to keep it simple.

GIFs and PNGs are very similar. The big difference I'm concerned with is transparency.

GIF supports transparency, in a binary fashion. Something is either fully transparent, or it's fully opaque.

The icons as they are now consist of three layers: a fully opaque foreground (say, the red Vampire skull), a 30% opaque midground (the WoD logo), and an opque white background. The background, I do because otherwise the midground won't show up, being less than 50% transparent. Icons would look like crap. Unfortunately, it means that they only really look good on a page with a white background. Otherwise (fr'ex, the grey portions of the forums) you can easily see the icon's white background.

Now, PNG supports partial transparency (see here for an example). This means I could do away with an icon's white background. The foreground would remain opaque, and the midground could remain 30% opaque. You'd be able to see it on any page background, no matter what the colour or texture.

Now this means it'd look better in our forums. But it also means I'd be able to introduce a lot of different themes for the site, and the icons would continue to look good.

If that were all there were to it, I would have done it already. But, unfortunately, 45% of our users use Internet Explorer, which doesn't currently support PNG's transparency. Here's what the same page would look like on IE6 and on (fr'ex) Opera 7. Maybe the upcoming Windows Longhorn's version of IE will support PNG, maybe not. That's several years away, at least.

So what should I do? Change everything over, and IE users will have to suffer? Or keep the GIFs, and I'll just have to deal with the fact that icons look less-than-perfect on non-white backgrounds?

Please vote in the poll on the right-hand side. Thanks, everyone.
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Re: Question for WolfSpoor Users (Score: 1)
by DigitalRaven (digital_raven@livejournal.com)
on Aug 26, 2004 - 12:02 PM
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IE has enough security holes, missing features and standards incompatibilities that people still using it have no reason to complain.

Tell them to get Mozilla Firefox instead as a way to not only see the cool graphics but also to avoid the myriad of crap out there that targets the Web's Worst Browser.


Re: Question for WolfSpoor Users (Score: 1)
by PalominoMule on Aug 26, 2004 - 01:43 PM

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Hmn. I can see your problem here; t'is an important one. While I somewhat agree with Stew - in the "why on Earth would anyone use IE?" department - I'm not sure changing and flipping IE users the bird would be all that acceptable.

Staying with GIFs has its own advantages and disadvantages, obviously. The advantage being, they'll work in IE. Disadvantage being, they are otherwise inferior, poor little things.

Going with PNG has the added benefit of being highly adaptable to any given theme, background, or use - so long as the viewer is not using IE. So I suppose the real question here is: what is the problem with IE users looking upon images that look to be ugly as sin through their browser?

I foresee little problem with people who already use the site; they like the site and either learn to deal with it, or maybe (God willing!) start using a new browser. The problem I can see is if new people visit the site, investigate, and form a bad opinion about the site's professionalism based on ugly-looking graphics.

To be honest, I really can't say. I can see either one being a good decision. If I had to vote, I'd go with PNG just because I'm a crazy artist chick that loves Mozilla Firefox.


Re: Question for WolfSpoor Users (Score: 1)
by PookaKnight on Aug 26, 2004 - 04:47 PM

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I run the 7th Sea Compendium and was trying to descide the same thing when I set the site up. I descided to go with GIFs to start and see what the user base was like.

Well, in the case of my site, about 80% of the traffic uses IE so I descided to stick with GIFs (and with the way I've got things set up, they work ok even in the forums).

I know that doesn't help you as much since you've got about half of your user base that would be able to appreciate the PNGs. However, if I were designing the site, the fact that also nearly half of the user base wouldn't get any benefit out of using PNGs would make me want to stick with GIFs - at least until Microsolf finally updates IE.

As a possible solution to getting the icons to work with different Post-Nuke themes - its really simple to mod Post-Nuke to use different topics icons for different themes (at least it is for 0.7.2.6, I havn't tried upgrading to 0.7.5 - I'm afraid a few of my modules won't be compatible).



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